Asssssssssk Baby Sinead
Joe Hipster writes: “What’s your opinion of the porn from sites like hellfiresex.com and meatholes.com? Do you see this as extreme bondage/sex or a degradation of women’s sexuality? I remember those sites where in the news when they first came out for being too “hardcore” (on Digg), but now it’s seems kind of commonplace, just like when bangbus came out and everyone was up in arms about that… Just wondering…”
Baby Sinead says: One thing people tend to forget about porn is that a lot of it is fake, made to look worse than it is, smoke and mirrors. I know this may shock you but Mick Blue is not a rock star despite what this trailer may make you believe. Bang Bus for example was shot to look like girls were kicked out of the bus among other things but in reality that was just editing. There are no girls wandering around FL, lost because Bang Brothers kicked them out of a bus. Considering Max Hardcore[who has now been convicted on obscenity which is bullshit] was around before all this doing much “worse” things, I’m surprised that people were shocked.
Than again I’m always shocked at what shocks people!
Now onto these sites you mentioned. I can give direct observation as I have never worked from them and am judging based off what friends in LA tell me and what I find on the internet. If they’re able to update frequently than I doubt they are horribly mistreating girls or else they would probably have a hard time booking. It’s like FacialAbuse.com which many find to be EXTREMELY offensive[especially since they did a deaf women] but I’ve yet to hear a first person account that wasn’t postive. Although I’ve heard second hand accounts that differ.
Just from looking at Hell Fire Sex, a lot of these women are porn stars who have admitted to enjoy rough bdsm style sex off camera. Honestly Hell Fire Sex looks a like my sex life sometimes. I really don’t see this as degrading as long as it’s consensual, and safe. I don’t belive it’s a degradation of womens sexuality as a whole as ‘extreme bondage/hardcore sex’ is a part of many womens sexuality. To deny it would be degrading. I didn’t really see anything on Hell Fire Sex I found awful…infact I actually found myself consider plunking down the money for a membership.[I didn’t though…actually brought a hardcopy of Circa ‘82….]
Now Meatholes.com is about obviously about pushing their stars limits. This video has made the rounds of course and enforced the idea that the site is abusive to it’s stars to the point of making them snap. I don’t really know Meatholes or the people behind so I can’t say if it’s awful. It does seem degrading in the viral video but on the first video of the site is a girl talking about how hard she can take things and what she will take. I can not really speak on this site.
A lot of these sites that are extreme are about marketing. By making “shocking” trailers and clips they get their work on sites such as efukt.com and thus find members and members = MONEY. Shocking = Money. You might be surprised to join one of these sites and find it softer than you thought it would be.
September 4th, 2008 at 4:26 am
there’s an interesting quote i heard once that humanity doesn’t come to the edge of morality and just suddenly fall off, instead it is a slow, gradual descent. i’m not hating on porn- obviously not, i, as a mature adult who knows fantasy from real life can enjoy it as entertainment. i don’t think my boyfriend expects to give me any ‘facial abuse’ the same way i don’t expect vin diesel to jump from helicopter to helicopter and save the president, you know? my concern is keeping hardcore pornography out of the hands of kids and more impressionable minds. while its not the job of max hardcore to raise our children it does take a village so to speak and while movie theatres (try, at least) keep kids out of R rated films and tv can’t show or say certain things until after a certain hour it seems the internet is a free haven for whatever. like i said, i think porn is a normal part of sexuality and 99% of the people who view it take it as entertainment and when they close the browser they close that fantasy. i guess i just get turned off when i think that there’s no real buffer zone.
i’m sure none of this makes sense and it isn’t particularly articulate but I guess it just scares me that a 13 year old girl (or boy, for that matter) who might not have any strong sexual role models to stumble upon this kind of material, ya know? urgh this isn’t making sense right now i’ll revisit it later ha
September 4th, 2008 at 4:35 am
i guess I just wish there was some sort of clean cut, black and white way to regulate online porn to make sure that it is adult-only. i would hate to think that porn, with women who are almost always above average in looks with well manicured bodies and sculpted pubic hair, is a girl’s first introduction to sex. it’s not like the porn industry is at fault but like i said i think we all need to look out for the well being of youth (as stupid and corny as that may sound). certainly parents and schools and teachers need to be much more aware of what their kids are doing online and be in touch with this and have open dialogue on it. parents are absent more and i think economically it’s hard for them to be around but also i see a real lack of strong role models who have sexuality as a natural part of their lives, not as their main selling point. it scares me that girls look up to women who are on the cover of maxim versus those on the cover of time.
agree/disagree? i don’t think this post was even about this but this all kinda came to my mind
September 4th, 2008 at 4:44 am
[…] on Baby Sinead’s very awesome and brilliant blog (with frequent nudity to boot), she answers a question from a reader about whether she thinks porn sites like hellfiresex.com and meatholes.com are a degradation of […]
September 4th, 2008 at 4:45 am
Pssst, I blogged this.
September 4th, 2008 at 7:44 am
The internet is not policed like the real world which does make it easier for kids for find porn but it’s their parents responsibility to install filters, software and talk to kids. I don’t understand why a parents responsibility to their child is oft ignored and outside parties are made to blame. I call Bullshit on parents not being around due to work/economy - my parents weren’t around when I was under 10 a lot because we were poor. But we had babysitters and they made sure we were ok. Same with my parents. when they were around that NO ONE in porn wants children looking at their work in fact most companies are involved in organizations keeping children away from adult entertainment.
There will never be a black and white way to regulate internet porn, or stop kids from sneaking into R-rated movies or finding dads stack of
As far as body image. Please….open any magazine targeted at teens despite the recent inclusion of more “normal” bodies, unusually thin and tall women are presented as beautiful. As what sells.
In porn I see diversity, especailly in the last few years. Softer bodies are preferred over skeltors.
There are plenty of women who children can look up to whos sexuality is not their “main selling point.” They’re in books. They’re in the community volunteering at the animal shelter.
PS Audacia thanks for blogging <3
September 4th, 2008 at 9:06 am
Question: Are you happy?
September 4th, 2008 at 11:37 am
Answer: Yes.
Question: What does that have to do with anything?
Question: Especially within the context of this post?
Question: Are YOU happy?
September 4th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
I’ll answer if you re-think your answer.
September 4th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
I don’t really actually give two shits if you’re happy. You’re asking questions that have nothing to do with the post. You’re being obnoxious if anything.
September 4th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Oh no.
You see, I thought I was contributing to the next episode of ‘Asssssssssk Baby Sinead’. Nevermind
September 4th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
By asking a simple question that can be answered with one word? Try again. Try something a bit more thought provoking.
September 4th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Ok, ok, ok. Scrap that then.
Why are you happy?
This is a good question. Lots of people find it alot easier to answer why they aren’t happy. I’ll be genuinely interested in your answer.
September 4th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
I prefer to keep such loaded personal questions off the internet.
September 4th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
You have my email
September 4th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
Asking if it’s degrading to women and our sexuality assumes that we have no agency when it comes to our sexual behavior or desires- we’re just objects to be acted on and don’t have the ability to make our own decisions. I may be making an entirely false statement, since the porn industry is not something i’m involved in (beyond being the occasional consumer), but I’d think with the internet it would be easier for porn starlets to research sites and companies before they shoot. Making an informed decision and acting on it is not degrading.
I always think of the porn industry as being the business of fantasy realization. Fantasies can be really, really dirty- and not always PC (at least mine aren’t)
Checking out hellfiresex.com, something struck me as interesting: the domme’s and their subs were always referred to by name. The men were just cocks, not men. Objectifying, no? Meatholes kinda turned my stomach- more for the language than the images.
And why is it that porn is always the first scapegoat when it comes to issues of women’s/ girl’s self-image and sexuality when our 24/7 mainstream media and tabloid culture, along with the beauty and fashion industries, do more to tell us that we’re all fat, ugly, sexually undesirable, too prudish or too slutty?
September 4th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
My long rant aside: Well said, Sinead.
September 5th, 2008 at 5:38 am
I blogged about you (I fixed the code in the now deleted post of yours and put a banner up), just scroll past the (awesome) zombie art.
As a (once semi pro) gamer, I’m directly hit by parents not taking responsibility and blaming outside parties, and I can only agree that it’s bullshit that they can’t do anything cause their “busy with work” (360 dashboard -> settings -> family controls -> choose which rating you’ll let your kids play is NOT hard.). I play COD4 obsessively and I’ve never shot up a school, well last I checked I haven’t.
I’ve seen softcore since I was 10 years old (dad had a subscription to playboy) and hardcore since I was 14-ish, and that never effected my body image. The subscription to seventeen magazine did, as I was just one inch too short and one size too large to model (goal in life from ages 5-15). Even at that age, I knew that sex wasn’t all that extreme, that women agreed to doing what ever it was that they were doing in their video, those women wear a lot of make-up, the boobs (and sometimes vulvas!) have had work done, the list goes on. Things like hellfiresex may not be liberating for women, but it’s not degrading. It’s simply a fetish for both sides of the equation (that came of nerdy), no matter how bad it looks (k, SOMETIMES things can go too far).
The language of meatholes turns me off a bit though, I don’t mind the name calling, but… come on! (no pun intended).
PS- for everyone who thinks it’s bad because the women was tearing up, I’ve done that during sex simply because of the whole feel of it, the “adrenaline” if you will.